#But he doesn't want to be! Alivebur was bad he was evil and Ghostbur doesn't want to be bad

[0xeyedaisy]

Ghostbur doesn’t like thinking about Alivebur...........

[concreteenthusiast]

All of this is /rp of course unless stated explicitly otherwise ^^

I really love how well he was managed in the sense of creating a truly tragic character and the general portrayal of his mental health issues.

Like, at his core, he really was a man who lost everything he worked towards, was basically reliving former trauma (the betrayal but arguably worse), which understandably worsened his general mental health and trust issues into full blown paranoia (and all the other stuff along with it), without any kind of support system. But it's still a process. He doesn't just suddenly flip into a villain and even tho it seems sudden initially the build up was there and everything about his character just falls into place so nicely.

There's not a single point while watching where his character didn't make sense to me or I didn't understand his viewpoint. No matter if I agree with something he did or not it made sense for c!Wilbur and for his mindset and I could understand it and sympathise and I love that a lot.

I just fjdjd love sympathic villains a lot. In the end he was a deeply troubled character and I struggle to call him a villain more than almost a victim of circumstances.

He lashed out in paranoia and as a way to protect himself, along with not being in a position where he could receive help. Not because he was beyond helping or anything, but because his only "support" were a literal 16 year old and the guy that's openly only there for anarchy and chaos, on top of already being convinced he's hated and people are going to turn on him. In that kind of situation they were all bound to hurt each other more.

And he did hurt people on the way and obviously that's not good (neither is blowing up a country but alas) but it was always understandable in the way that it was from a place of hurt/a result of his spiral and not cause "he was evil now/always" (tho the fandom kinda does him dirty in that regard I feel).

Like. He gets cast out of his country, his son disowns him and he's convinced people hate him and then he's confronted with the idea of "What if I actually am worse than Schlatt?" and he embraces it because at this point it is the only way he sees that isn't him going under in despair and just watching everything crumble, (even if this is a result of his paranoia and general self hatred it still felt as a reality to him) it's the only way to him to do something . It's an attempt to cope, even if a terrible one. It's not I'm evil now >:). It's "if I can't do anything good, if I will be the bad guy no matter what happens, I can at least do the bad thing properly". It's "whats the point in trying to be good if I can only fail either way" (and it is canon that alivebur strongly believed no one liked him, nor did he like himself (via ghostbur and now voidbur too). Apart from the whole barely sleeps or eats during pogtopia thing... and like how his actual death happened.).

He can't bear to see his creation become what it was never meant to be (;-;), what it was founded against... So he doesn't. So he makes a plan that he doesn't have to. He believes everyone has turned against him so he tries to convince himself he doesn't care about them anymore (and fails. He may say he doesn't care about who's caught in the crossfire, but whenever it mattered he doesn't go through with his plans at the cost of someone else. There were his moments of mania like the pit scene but in the end he never wanted to truly hurt anyone who wasn't himself and Schlatt). He doesn't want to loose the one person who was always by his side and he still trusts (Tommy) so he clings to him and tries to keep him with him to an unhealthy amount, but hurts him, lashes out and pushes him away further in the process.

That's not an evil, terrible person, that's someone having a mental breakdown and desperately needing help.

Also I think it deserves a mention that whenever he mentioned his distrust in the others and the like he was written off and dismissed as crazy, unreasonable, told to snap out of it and things of the likes. Which is not a moral judgement of the other characters, since they weren't in a place to help either, but it most definitely didn't help the situation and was not what Wilbur needed in his state at all.

So in the end you sit there and want to help, but you can't and that just creates this atmosphere that just gets me. It creates this sense of horror that soaks the whole pogtopia arc, but it's not horror cause "oh Wilbur is evil and will blow up L'manberg". It's the horror of slowly seeing this person spiral and everything go wrong and being unable to do anything to help at all. If you really think about it we were watching someone's life fall apart in real time and that shit hurt.

And that sense of horror only works so well cause he's someone you can sympathise with and understand, and at some points find yourself agreeing with, and it was done so well. Even now looking back it somehow only manages to hit harder the more info you get further along the story. Not even talking about Ghostbur and the whole not getting a grave thing.

And admittedly this may be a bit personal cause I just sympathise and to a point relate to his character a lot (also I kind of forgot what point I wanted to reach) but yeah, he's just. Such a well built character. And I am begging the fandom to stop demonising him please-

So ye basically have my analysis? Character take? Ramble? Thing? Jrjrjrhshd

It wasn't meant to be that long I swear ^^

Tldr: Alivebur my beloved <3 basically

hey........... c!wilbur enthusiasts. currently, i’m half asleep, bored as fuck, & w/ nothing better to do, so why don’t you 👉👈 tell me what’s your favorite quality of c!wilbur/the analysis’ you have on him/just general shit about his character in the notes or reblogs or whatever. as a fellow, awooga c!wilbur fool, i’m open to listening 👁

[habeascorpseus]

pros of villian wilbur

- villain hot

- aesthetic sexy

- super funny when he's being ominous as shit

- he'd fuck with dream so bad

- I think he deserves to go buckwild. as a treat

- eldritch shenanigans bc at this point he's more void than human

- did I mention hot

- spare editor wilbur?? please

- dream's chess and wilbur's solitaire coming into conflict sounds funny and also badass

- wilbur will force someone to play solitaire with him on stream and it will be great

- so many badass one liners

- if he was the one to reset the server I literally wouldn't mind because being the one to singlehandedly cause the apocalypse is a sexy sexy concept

- look the man is good at playing an incredibly unhinged evil mastermind

- and it's hot

pros of redeemed wilbur

- villain hot but you know what's hotter? mental stability

- therapy arc timez dos

- we get some sweet sweet found family content (perhaps??? please??????)

- tommy maybe becoming friends with him again? please??? I miss when they were friends

- I'm so cold

- they have the man who basically knows all the secrets of the universe on their side but also he likes to see people struggle. unstoppable force vs immovable object

- emotional vulnerability??? please??? spare emotional vulnerability????

- please. wilbur and tommy hug. begging on my knees

- being evil is funny but you know what's funnier? still sounding like a villain whenever he talks even if it's just about normal things bc he was evil for 9 years and it's hard to quit sounding ominous and creepy

- please

pros of ghostbur

- cute as shit

- like have you seen him holy fuck I just want to take him to an county fair and win him all the prize plushies

- ominous as fuck but like. nice about it

- just wants to support his little brother's murder plot

- I just think he should snap again like he did with phil on doomsday

- he's friends with ranboo. that is all

- his voice is soft and I'm love

- I feel like he could totally "go dark" as it were and fuck shit up. why the hell did he make chekhov's gun he's a fucking ghost he doesn't need a crossbow. all I'm saying is that mans can and will shank a bitch

- that sexy sexy rationalization of alivebur's terrible actions. that glorious internal conflict. my beloved

- blue :]

- look the man is literally here to vibe and I just don't think we should stop him

desire to see wilbur be a villain vs desire to see wilbur get redeemed vs desire to never ever have ghostbur leave